Complete re-spray with heavy peel

[Triggaaar]

I've just had the scoob completely re-sprayed, except for the roof, that just didn't seem to need it. The work has been done at Portslade Panel Works, who I believe have a good reputation.

I checked on the work regularly, and the preparation seemed good, but there's a lot of peel in the finish.

It has been machine polished all over, I saw them do it, but it hasn't been flatted.

This is my roof - which has NOT been sprayed!k:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s150/Triggaaar/roof2.jpg
This is my sunroof, again with no work - the sunroof has never been as flat as the rest of the roof - dodgy Subaru paint job:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s150/Triggaaar/sunroof.jpg

This is the re-sprayed car:
The door, showing peel
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s150/Triggaaar/Doorpeel.jpg
And two shots of the bonnet, showing peel
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s150/Triggaaar/Bonetpeel.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s150/Triggaaar/Bonetpeelclosup.jpg

They have said they will make it flatter, but they would want me to come back for that, as they say they shouldn't over polish it before the paint has time to harden/flatten. I'm not sure if that is right, or BS.

We had a look at some other cars at the workshop, and some (inc AMG merc) had quite a lot of peel, whereas others were flatter.

So what da ya think a that

[harvey01]

hi mate you will have a small amount but it should have been finsh moped to take most of it out .
the old paint will be flatter as its been waxed loads of times .

[Triggaaar]

hi mate you will have a small amount but it should have been finsh moped to take most of it outI've never had a car sprayed before, so I'm not sure how much to expect. But I wasn't expecting that much. What do you think of the amount of peel you can see in the last 3 pictures (not just the last 1 that shows the most)?

the old paint will be flatter as its been waxed loads of times .Er, no it hasn't :)

Also, why would waxing a car make the peel flatter (once the wax has gone)?

Thanks

[C. J.]

look on sat and comment then !

[Triggaaar]

look on sat and comment then !Look at what on Sat? Do you mean you'll have a look at mine, or I should look at others (which won't be enw)? At the moment, it looks like I'm not going to be taking the car out of the bodyshop, so I won't have either option. Unless I get a lift, which I could do - but it might be too depressing.

[C. J.]

can you not part pay and pay rest when sorted ?

[simonairheadz]

mate ive had numerous cars that have spray work and never ever had peel like that... the fact that it shows on pictures on here is unreal i can only imagine what it looks like in the flesh,so what about repair work weve all had done,they are up against time to!but you wouldnt get it returned like that! just dont accept it,see if you can take someone elses car same model in and let them see the old standard paintwork...you wouldnt have accepted a new car like that,so nor should you accept this
does anyone think if you took a brand new buggati veyron in there and they sent it out like that that anyone would accept it?........... i think not. dont part with any money

[Triggaaar]

can you not part pay and pay rest when sorted ?No, they won't let me take it until the account is settled - which is understandable, 'cos if someone took a car home, and someone else hit it, keyed it, the engine blew etc, it could be hard for the bodyshop to get the rest of their money. But I don't want to pay if I'm not happy.


the fact that it shows on pictures on here is unreal i can only imagine what it looks like in the fleshIt looks the same as in the photos. I'm a good photographer :)


see if you can take someone elses car same model in and let them see the old standard paintworkGood idea. Simon, could I borrow your car please :)

Anyone who's going to the meet tomorrow, who's going to be passing Hove would be welcome to pop in and take a look, and compare it to their car :thumb:

[fieldy]

looks like im not the only one who's been having troube with their paint jobs :rolleyes:
i had both sides, both bumpers and bonnet painted. a week later i had loads of small bulbles come up all over every panel, that had been painted. the door trims/protectors had been knackered aswell. it went back wednesday last week. hopefully get it back tommorow.:susp: your paintwork does look very orange-peeley. and as simon said, if it shows up on a photo like that then it must be quite bad. hope it gets sorted out. :thumb:
must be a bad time to get a DBM scoob painted at te moment!!

[simonairheadz]

just imagine if it was just one side resprayed? you have to stop spraying somewhere,imagine just how it would look next to a smooth old panel

[fieldy]

got 2 cousins who have got an old school mini each. both have been to a well known local ( to me) paint shop. one of the minis is about to go back for the fourth time. the other mini this firm had for 8 weeks and is going back next week to make sure that all the panels are the same green!! :(
dont know what is going on with these car sprayers recently.:cuckoo:

[Triggaaar]

looks like im not the only one who's been having troube with their paint jobsNo. I am not happy.

your paintwork does look very orange-peeley. and as simon said, if it shows up on a photo like that then it must be quite bad. hope it gets sorted out. :thumb: I've had to start taking notes, as they are trying to fob me off. They started by saying that the paint would flatten with time. They then said they would flatten it if I wanted, but not until a month after it had been painted. Since I was not happy to fully pay for the job until it was done, they decided to flatten the bonnet and the boot now (which goes against their original comments of not being able to do this to new paint). I have just seen that these areas are now improved (although far from flat), and asked for the rest of the car to be done in a similar way, and they have said that they would have to charge me extra for that, as they would only usually flatten the bonnet and boot (they may also usually do the roof, but that wasn't part of the re-spray). If they would usually flatten the bonnet and boot, why did they not do that before I complained?

I have left them to finish the work to the bonnet and boot, and I will go and look at the job next week (after seeking your advice :) )

just imagine if it was just one side resprayed? you have to stop spraying somewhere,imagine just how it would look next to a smooth old panelIndeed. I imagine in that case, they would flatten the paint.

One of the workers at the bodyshop has a 911 from 1988, with flat paint, and a new 911 with peely paint. He said it was difficult to get a flat finish with water based paint that is oven dried. I've just been to the local Frosts Jaguar garage, and taken some pics of their cars. Some did have a reasonably amount of peel, but many had hardly any, including some of the brand new models.

[no-scooby-mike]

:thumbdown: One of my friends had his car fixed & sprayed there and it was rubbish. The bonnet catch they "replaced" let go on the motorway at 110 and wrecked it. But back to the paint, he was told the same, to come back and they'll sort it out. It's just said to get rid of you in the hope that you wont ever bring it back and they'll get away with a rubbish job. All bad body shops do it. It's probably a bit late now, but you shouldn't have taken it away unless you're completely happy with it. Nobody should, it's the only way to get a decent job done. Where else charges in full for half a job?
When you do take it back, leave it there until it's put right, even if it means another respray. Just kick up a huge stink, it's the only way, especially if they've already got your money. They'll get so sick of it hanging around that they'll eventually have to sort it.
If they just machine polish it then get a good look at it in bright sunlight to see if it's got those horrid swirly marks in the shine of the paint, it'll be covered in them if they've not done it properly or used the wrong compounds.
They'll probably do a rush job the first time and it'll still be rubbish, you'll just have to persist with them.

Good luck mate, unfortunately you're probably going to need it :(

[fieldy]

asked for the rest of the car to be done in a similar way, and they have said that they would have to charge me extra for that, as they would only usually flatten the bonnet and boot (they may also usually do the roof, but that wasn't part of the re-spray).

why would they only usually flatten the bonnet and boot? :2ponder: if their respray has an orange peel affect on the doors and wings then surely its down to them to sort it out. takes the p**s that they want to charge you extra to sort something they caused!! :cuckoo:
i hope you get this sorted, mate. the bloke who resprayed mine tried to deny (at first) that he had screwed up my trims. after i spoke to him in a calm and polite tone (:rolleyes: ) he said he would pay for the new ones. so your resprayers should swallow any cost thats incurred through their faults.:thumb:

[fieldy]

well, just had a phone call. my wagon will be ready for me to pick up tomorrow evening. fingers crossed its a good job!! :susp:

[Triggaaar]

:thumbdown: One of my friends had his car fixed & sprayed there and it was rubbish.You are talking to me, about Portslade Panel Works, right?


he was told the same, to come back and they'll sort it out. It's just said to get rid of you in the hope that you wont ever bring it back and they'll get away with a rubbish job. All bad body shops do it. It's probably a bit late now, but you shouldn't have taken it away unless you're completely happy with it.Because I haven't taken it away yet.


Just kick up a huge stink, it's the only way, especially if they've already got your money. They'll get so sick of it hanging around that they'll eventually have to sort it.Well they haven't got my money, but I am happy to kick up a stink anyway. I just need to know what is and isn't acceptable. I don't know if all re-spray work should be flatted, or if polishing is acceptable. I guess I could speak to other repairers to establish what is acceptable, or I can contact the VBRA (Vehicle Builders & Repairers Association) about standards.


If they just machine polish it then get a good look at it in bright sunlight to see if it's got those horrid swirly marks in the shine of the paint, it'll be covered in them if they've not done it properly or used the wrong compounds.I certainly will check for swirls. If it has swirls, I'm sure they won't try and argue about fixing those, they are a clear defect. The acceptable level of peel seems to be a more arguable point.


They'll probably do a rush job the first time and it'll still be rubbish, you'll just have to persist with them.Yes, probably. I'll get onto the VBRA and another garage first, and if they support my views, I'll let the garage know what is expected before I pay fro the job.

[Triggaaar]

your resprayers should swallow any cost thats incurred through their faultsI'm only learning about re-spray work, so correct me where I'm wrong, but I get the impression that the orange peel isn't a mistake, it is inevitable after the spray. The only fault, is that they haven't done any work to flatten it.

I am starting to wonder why Steve from "Dents" recommended them.

[Rusky]

Bloke at work had his Rover SD1 totally resprayed and thats dammn near perfect apart from a few swirlmarks and totally flat.They may need to wetsand yours back and buff it with a rotary polisher to get it right,although they should have done it before saying it was ready:nono:

[C. J.]

Trigg rusky nows his paint :thumb:

[Triggaaar]

What are you like at fighting Russ? I could do with you arguing my corner in the bodyshop. Where did your friend get his car re-sprayed?

Without some serious persuasion (trading standards help), they will not be wetsanding it all. They have said that if they flatten it, it will become dull with time - is this, as I suspect, BS?

[fieldy]

The only fault, is that they haven't done any work to flatten it.

exact-a-mundo:thumb: and they said that they would charge you extra to flatten the rest of the car!! PAH!! it would be like me doing a painting/decorating job and not puting a top coat of gloss on the woodwork. and then saying " ahhh, well!! that will cost extra" :rolleyes: they havnt done a full proper job. correct me (Rusky) if im wrong :2ponder:

[Rusky]

Usually they will run over it with a rotary,ie mopping although i this should have been done as part of the respray and not a "extra".Even tho they will mop it the paint is not always perfect as they dont usually have the time to spend hours on paint correction,but most people can deal with the swirlmarks,Orange peel is another ball game if it need wet sanding.

[luckyscoob]

Triggar,

I've just spoken to a good friend of mine who has been painting cars for the last 20 years and has seen the progression from the way they used to paint to water based and has worked for some of the major organisations. Apparantly water based is more difficult to get perfect finish, BUT, you still shoud only be able to see a slight peel effect under a certain light and have almost no peel on the bonnet, roof or boot as they are flat and easier to get a good finish. He said that it sounds like they could have applied too much laquer, but recommends exactly what you've done (not to collect it until you are happy). Apparantly, flattening now may cause the paint to 'sink' in places. Hope you get sorted mate.

Steve

[BUZZ]

a good respray on a panel or panels means that you cant tell were its starts and finish

i challenge anybody to find the blow over on my scoob tommorow, it is faultliss

heres a clue a door and a wing

[Triggaaar]

I've just spoken to a good friend of mine who has been painting cars for the last 20 years and has seen the progression from the way they used to paint to water based and has worked for some of the major organisations.Excellent - in the words of Roman Abramovich, "I buy him".


Apparently water based is more difficult to get perfect finish, BUT, you still should only be able to see a slight peel effect under a certain light and have almost no peel on the bonnet, roof or boot as they are flat and easier to get a good finish. He said that it sounds like they could have applied too much laquer, but recommends exactly what you've done (not to collect it until you are happy).Thanks - that does seem to be the advice, but when they say they've done as much as they should, it's not easy to get them to do more. I'm not sure how to persuade them to sufficiently flatten the paint - trading standards or what.


Apparantly, flattening now may cause the paint to 'sink' in places.Oh - I need to know more about this before I insist they flatten it. Do you know what that means? Maybe they have used too much lacquer, or applied it too quickly, but when are they supposed to be able to flatten it?

Thank you!

[no-scooby-mike]

[QUOTE=Triggaaar;30760]You are talking to me, about Portslade Panel Works, right?

Yes mate, i was. Orange peel in my book is purely the result of bad spraying. I've got a mate that works at Fairlight Coachworks in Peacehaven and he said they can start polishing/flatting it pretty much as soon as it's dry. So what they are saying is doo doo's. If they've laquered over a bad spray job it'll be almost impossible to put right. You'll have to hope the fault is with the laquer. Either way it's not acceptable, and not what you've payed your hard earned reddies for.
Just stick to your guns, you hold all the cards all the time you have the money.:thumb:

[wagon russ]

a good respray on a panel or panels means that you cant tell were its starts and finish

i challenge anybody to find the blow over on my scoob tommorow, it is faultliss

heres a clue a door and a wing

Cant see your paint for all your stickers mate :haha:

[Triggaaar]

No, the insurance company sent it to frosts body shop in steyning, which was even worse as they dented the new roof from the inside out aswell as painting it badly.Blimey - I took my car there for a quote, as they were on the list from my insurers.


If you still draw a blank with them you could try Fairlight in Peacehaven, me and wagon russ have a mate that works there. Si (harvey01) just had a fog light surround painted there and it came out spot on.I don't know anything other than what I'm learning now about re-sprays, but it seems that the only problems are:
They could have caused more orange peel than average, by applying too much lacquer, or applying it too quickly
They haven't flattened the paint after the re-spray.

Otherwise, their work appears (at the moment) to be good. It was well prepared, and the few dinks I had have gone. So if I wanted it to look perfectly flat, it would only need wet-sanding, then polishing, rather than any more spraying. I could get a quote for that, but I don't think I'll be wanting to spend the extra - I can probably only get Portslade to do as much as possible.


How much did they charge you out of interest?I'll send you a PM :)

[fieldy]

well, got mine back today , and everything looks good as gold (2nd time around :rolleyes: )
Triggaaar; i hope you get yours sorted out as soon as poss, mate. :thumb:

[Triggaaar]

Excellent, glad to hear it. Do you know what caused the paint to bubble, and what they've done differently this time?

[fieldy]

Excellent, glad to hear it. Do you know what caused the paint to bubble, and what they've done differently this time?

i was told it was either moisture or silicon had got onto the bodywork before the laquer was put on. they have flattened it down aswell because there is a bit of compound stuck behind some of he plastic. i just need to give it a good jet wash at some point. they made sure there was no moisture or silicon floating around this time. its a good flat finish. hopefully stays like it. :susp:
i hope you get yours back soon , mate and that a good job has been done :thumb:

[no-scooby-mike]

i was told it was either moisture or silicon had got onto the bodywork before the laquer was put on. :


Was almost certainly silicone mate, probably some stupid noddy spraying the tyres on his saxo close by to make them look new!! As soon as silicone is air born, bye bye paint:nono:

[Triggaaar]

they have flattened it down aswell because there is a bit of compound stuck behind some of he plastic.If I'm understanding things correctly, compound isn't enough to flatten it - or is compound used for wet and dry sanding, as well as for standard polishing?

[fieldy]

Was almost certainly silicone mate, probably some stupid noddy spraying the tyres on his saxo close by to make them look new!! As soon as silicone is air born, bye bye paint:nono:

you aint wrong , mate. my paintwork didnt just say "bye bye", it flicked me the finger aswell :(

[fieldy]

If I'm understanding things correctly, compound isn't enough to flatten it - or is compound used for wet and dry sanding, as well as for standard polishing?

its does look like compound to me. got a mate that does valeting. seen him using it when mopping. i couldnt tell you if its used for wet and dry sanding. but the finish looks good though. i hope it stays like that.:thumb:

[Triggaaar]

Yes, it probably is compound. But that means they've polished it. They probably flattened it first, but finding compound isn't proof of that.